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JDM

U.S. is gonna bomb Iran thru its Likkud proxy. We want that oil for the big international oilcomoanies.

gmb

JDM: You know that I can't stand Obama b/c he lied his way to the White House, promising desperate people that he was going to "change Washington," etc. I didn't believe it, but a lot of people did and many of them may never vote or get involved in a campaign again. Fool me once, blah, blah, blah. That said, my gut says that the Obama admin. is trying to stymie an attack on Iran because they know that it would get out of hand very quickly. I don't know why I think this, but I do. Hell, I recall reading that Condi fucking Rice put the kabash on an attack on Iran when she was pretending to be SoS. GMB

MDC

I get the same sense: that the Obama admin is, to some degree at least, trying to slow the roll of the Likudniks on this. But there could be a few warmongers in the woodwork. It seems like every presidential administration going back at least to Reagan has had a mix of neocon hawks and more cautious types battling for control of foreign policy. The war faction sometimes gets the upper hand, and sometimes gets beat back.

MDC

Oh, also: I almost never sign online petitions any more. I think they're mostly email-address-gathering mechanisms. I'm already on plenty of email lists for left/liberal groups... and when you sign up for one group (or campaign), your address tends to get passed around.

If I truly want to make my voice heard, I generally call an elected official's office. I don't think online petitions carry much weight.

gmb

MDC: I think that not signing petitions is better because it keeps them guessing. Have you given up? Joined another party? Have you decided "fuck it, I'm going to don a mask and set something on fire?" Keep them guessing.
And I hope that someone in the Obama admin is smart and decent enough to keep the U.S. out of Israel very unexcellent Iranian adventure. As I noted, I recall reading that Condilezza Rice was the brake that kept Iran off the table during the Bush administration. I mean, even Condi fucking Rice knew better. GMB

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